Thanks to the wonderful world of podcasts we have many choices as to what we can listen to regarding Christian content. I listen to not only the podcasts of sermons from my own church but those by well known apologists and evangelists on my iPod while I am out working.
Admitedly I do listen to Joel Osteen and I have read much of the feedback regarding Joel, both positive and negative. Much of the negativity comes from other Christians who complain that his message is not only unbiblical but outright heresy.
I would like to weigh in on my thoughts regarding Joel and let the chips fall where they may. Let me start out with what I don’t like about Joel’s style. Those that are pro Joel need not fear because I will go into the positive aspects a little later.
First off, I don’t like the beginning recitation where the entire congregation is led to say a repeated mantra at every service. One line bothers me especially and that is “today I will be taught the word of God”. Not so fast. Maybe I won’t hear anything remotely biblical.
Secondly, he sounds scripted like a candidate reading a speech. It’s not terrible but it doesn’t sound like an annointed word being led by the holy spirit.
I also don’t like the spinning globe in the background and the lack of crosses in the sanctuary.
Now let’s get to the better stuff. I first started listening to Joel at a very down period in my life. His messages were very positive and if you boil them down to the bare essence his message is ultimately to not let bad things in life get you down and have faith that God has it under control. This is a good thing, people.
If I was to call a Christian friend in a depressed moment I would hope he would do the biblical thing and lift me up and encourage me.
You see, what other Christians seem to complain about is that his messages are too and to a degree, they have a point.
But I challenge anyone to show me a Christian who is not faced or concerned with the very issues Joel addresses. Christians live in homes and 10 to one they would like a nicer one. I would bet that Christians also strive for success and advancement in the workplace.
When I hear from a Christian who lives in the wilderness wearing camel hair and living off the land then just maybe I may see some credibility in their argument. When I speak to other Christians guess what? They have jobs, they have adversities and challenges and many of them lack faith that they will pull through. From time to time, I even have a lack in this area.
It seems not only do Christians have issues with his discussions about attaining success in life they are also concerned more with what Joel doesn’t say. Many Christians seem to want a speaker who will continuously berate them and constantly remark on the dangers of hellfire.
I for one am a full believer in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross. I don’t need a constant reminder of hellfire because I am already a bible believing Christian. For those who are new to osteen, perhaps they will see Christians as being regular folk with the same needs they have and how encouraging the message actually is. Not, it isn’t always gospel but he does mention Jesus every single sermon.
In fact, he closes each sermon with a condensed sinner’s prayer. I’m not a huge fan of the sinner’s prayer but for some, it can be a decent tool.
Ultimately I do believe we should be focused on spiritual gain over material, without a doubt. But the fact remains we are in a completely different society than that of the bible writers. We have homes with mortgages, employers, and yes, money. We need it to live and we need it to eat. We aren’t walking around the desert eating manna as it falls from the sky.
Years ago I remember seeing the advent of what we would call the motivational speaker. Anthony Robbins made quite a good living encouraging people to be the best that they could with relationships, work, and other life matters.
Joel Osteen is not all that different than Anthony Robbins with the exception he does it with a God centered purpose. There are times when Joel focuses more on material advancement without spiritual development and for some, Joel may be the only sermons they are hearing and that isn’t necessarily a good thing.
But the simple matter is this, most churches today do not operate anything like those of the bible days. There is an excellent book that is very critical of how we do church today called Pagan Christianity. And from it’s pages one can easily see we have come far afield of the practices they held. However the first century church had many of it’s own problems. If you doubt it, just read the bible.
Is Joel osteen the pastor you should get the majority of your gospel message from? Not really. You should be fed from variety of sources. We don’t eat at one restaurant and neither should you.
The bible teaches we are to encourage one another and Joel has a knack for it and when I need a God centered pick me up, he has some good words regarding faith and keeping a positive attitude.
That isn’t to say there isn’t a lot of doctrine he gets wrong but I have yet to see a preacher or speaker be 100 percent correct.
If you want a hellfire preacher that constantly knocks you around, you can find one. Then again, maybe you just need a friend to encourage you in a difficult time who will tell you God is in your corner and to keep him first and the rest may fall into place.
Then again, maybe when you face adversity you wre the type that would welcome the arrival of Job’s friends who have a negative spin on just about everything.
Without Jesus we are headed toward hell. But after we find the Lord we have to deal with hell on Earth and having a positive influence isn’t a bad thing.
Peace and love, out!
Don’t take my word for it, Just think like me.
Posted in Commentary with tags atheist, heathen, Jesus, King, religion, you tube on July 13, 2010 by Joe WarnerIn the bible, Paul considered himself the chief of sinners. He wasn’t proud of this achievement rather it was his sin that broke him and led him to the truth of Jesus Christ. It took him becoming blind before he could really see.
On You Tube we have plenty of sinners who are not only aware of their sin they create channels and award themselves titles of distinction for their lifestyle choice.
One particular individual has led him from being a one time Christian to a now de-converted atheist who has “seen the light”.
So profound was this person’s de-conversion that they took to the free “airwaves” that is You Tube to create a ministry of sorts. I find it humorous that many atheists actually closely resemble evangelical Christians in that they feel they have found the ultimate truth and must pass it on to the masses.
Sadly, you tube is loaded with atheists despite the fact they represent a very low percentage of society. In any case, what invariably happens, is that other atheists find these channels as an opportunity to congregate. They don’t have church or any other real gatherings to enjoy their like-mindedness or reassure each other that their position is the correct one. What happens then is the channel owner gets his or her ego stroked for believing like they do and actually build an audience.
It’s a sad attempt at fame, which Andy Warhol rightly said everyone gets at least 15 minutes of.
But here is where the funny part comes in. Recently, this king of all heathen-dom watched one of the Star wars movies, The Phantom Menace. In the movie, the Father of Anakin Skywalker, AKA Darth Vader is born due to a kind of immaculate conception. And this is the basis for the video. IF fictional movies and literature can pull an idea like this off then why couldn’t the bible.
There are several problems with this line of thinking. One is, in the movie we were watching it unfold and the characters of the movie had no idea what would transpire. This is why there are no writings of Jesus growing up or driving a “pod racer”. Because until he died on the cross and was resurrected and witnessed by many, his birth story did not have that exclamation point on it as of yet.
Secondly, just because literature has a similar story does not make every other non-fiticious work false. An example I pointed to with regard to the individual’s premise is that long before the ship the TItanic sank there was a work of fiction that described the sinking of a similar ship, by an iceberg, in the month of April, that did not have enough lifeboats. Eerily similar. Was it prophecy? Do humans have a perception for certain events? I don’t have an answer.
But one thing I do know is that atheists are renowned for their adherence to what can be proved and being completely rational. Yet their arguments seem to fall along these lines. “Santa Clause is fake, so God must be too”. Hardly a scientific conclusion and more of one that appeals to emotion.
Just like, “The character in the Phantom Menace claimed a supernatural birth, why should I believe the bible”. My answer is this, you can “believe” whatever you like. Humans do it all the time. They accept something as evidence and write something else off as nonsense. Especially if the answer fits their presupposition.
Atheists will come up with 1001 reasons why they don’t believe in a God. But when their science is challenged the answer is Richard Dawkins-ish. “We’re working on it”. Now I’m not suggesting one believe in God because of lack of evidence, rather give all evidence the weight it deserves.
The author of the Phantom Menace video premise suggested this idea, that flying on a winged horse required more evidence than a drive to the state of Atlanta.
But the fact of the matter is, each requires evidence specific to each case. While flying on a winged horse seems preposterous, flying to the moon would seem equally preposterous to a man from ancient times. How would you even explain your mode of transportation? So you see, invent a scenario that seems ridiculous compared to one that does not, it takes on a sort of “straw man” effect.
If one were to fly on a winged horse they would need to show evidence of the horse. Then again, maybe a 1000 witnesses would be enough. Or the person who flew it could be of such exemplary reliability that his word alone would be enough. It really depends on what the jury would be willing to accept to make a final verdict.
So why do we accept the idea of a “virgin birth” Ultimately because the bible laid out many prophecies as to the conditions of his arrival. He was witnessed by many and verified by extra-biblical recorders of history. An entire following was birthed as a result of what was witnessed in addition to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by Christians everywhere.
Don’t take my word for it, ask God to reveal himself to you.
Or Don’t take the “Heathen’s word” for it. Think like he does. And you won’t get ridiculed.
Peace & Love out.
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